tank still looks terrible. did a 50% water change and still pretty cloudy. i think im going to set the 20 up and switch corals over. i dont even have this many problems when my tank over heated. i think ill do another 50% water change and then hopefully ill see a difference.
just an up date, looks bad. looks like everthings going to die if i dont do some thing soon. stufff is melting. looks really bad. we will see what it looks like after the water change but looks horrible. ill be switching some stuff over to the 20 sometime after the water change.
just finished another 50% water change. will buy me some time to get the 20 going. i might have to go to 75% water change. this stuff looks bad. my candy candy canes look like a todler took a red paint brush to them(noramally light blue).
Bret, I’m not sure what others thoughts are but dont change TOO much too quick. Running more carbon will help to reduce the Xenia’s toxins. If you think the Xenia is dying that bad and wiping out the tank, you might want to consider exiling it to another tank to die/revive so it doesn’t wipe the rest of the tank.
What are your #s?
Amm
Ni
Na
ph
Sg
Temp
Ca
Alk
Mg
?
What are those numbers on the water you are doing 50% changes with?
Brett -
I’d reccomend slowing down. I think you’ve done enough on the water changes to thouroughly dilute any toxins in the tank. i think continually moving things, doing water changes, etc is just causing more harm then good.
Check your parameters, make sure everything is in a good range, make sure there’s good flow, turn off the lights, leave the house.
It’s very hard to see our tanks having trouble and not want to grab a snorkle and jump in to fix everything, unfoirtunately sometimes time and patience really are the ebst medicine. Believe me, i know. I’ve seen too many people crash a tank trying to fix one little thing then i care to admit to.
Corals are very hardy creatures that have survived billions of years in the wild, allow them time to adapt and fix themselves, just make sure you’re providing the best environment you can - wich sometimes means keeping your hands out of the tank. If you lose the tank you’re no worse then you are with all your doing. it sounds like you’ve already resigned yourself to losing most of it, just try letting it be and see what happens in the next day or two.
third time i posted this but… will the fish be ok? when should i do my next water change?
amm 0
ni 0
na 0
ph 8.4
temp 80
salt 0.0245
cal about 400
why is my water still so cloudy?
Just a novice thought,but could you be expeirencing a bacterial bloom due to the xenia dieing and fueling it?
What type if any aeration do you have?Are fish gasping and breathing hard? I thing I would keep running carbon and add some aeration. If it is a bacterial bloom that could be using up all the dissolved O2. Again looks like you have coverd everything else worth a shot. Hope all comes out ok.
Mike
the tank is open and i have 2 hobs running. i guess i could pop an air pump in the hob would that work?
i just poped the air pump in. i didnt have an air stone though. ill see if tht works/helps
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i just poped the air pump in. i didnt have an air stone though. ill see if tht works/helps[/quote]
It cant hurt. I would agree… take as much of the dying xenia out as possible. If you want to leave the rock in siphon it out with a tube, but keep it from decaying in the tank if at all possible.
For the salinity that you just gave us, I am assuming that is a typo:
Most of the time people try to keep their tanks around 1.025-1.026 or about 35ppt. The number you gave us of 0.0245 seems to be way out of whack if it is true.
Ok, a sort of important question. Sit down and watch the fish for a few minutes. How are they acting? This might help us diagonose the problem that you are having. I know that you really want to do something to save everything, but a few minutes of observation and careful explanation might be your best bet. Other than that, have you considered just making up 10g of new water, buying a 10g for 10$, and moving all of the corals and fish over for a couple days untill it gets straightened out? It would be no different than most holding tanks at a LFS and would get them out of the bad environment if they are really in trouble. First though, let us know what is going on with the fish. From their actions, we might be able to help you a little more.
i ment .024 and a half.
naso. mouth opening and closing and gils beating as fast as they can
royal gramma mouth opening and closing gills beating about 2 times per second.
clown goby mouth opening and gills beating
mandarin opening mouth and gills moving in unisin
i have a 20l with water in it ready for fish or what ever. it has a hob with crappy bio wheeles.
I am going to guess the .0245 is an estimation of it being somewhere between 1.024 and 1.025 in which case that is fine don’t touch it.
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It would be no different than most holding tanks at a LFS and would get them out of the bad environment if they are really in trouble. [/quote]
I would have to disagree with this. An LFS is always a well cycled and established system this 10g would be a brand new tank. Secondly I have never seen any LFS dumb enough to try a 10g salt tank as there one and only salt tank.(seen them do a ton of other stupid crap, but never a tank that small)
Bret if you do end up setting a small tank you would need daily frequent water changes, daily water tests across the board, constantly preparing new SW, and more carbon. I also wouldn’t attempt it with fish with out a lid. First and foremost as Icy said tell us exactly how your fish look and how they are acting. Also are any of the hermits or snails flipping out? Do you have any star fish or shrimp in the tank? How do they look? If all your fish and all your inverts look normal and just your corals looked ticked then DO NOT do anything drastic. Continue with small 3g water changes once a day and replace your carbon once every three days. Keep us updated. I PMed you with my cell.
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I added a few nice heads of xenia a couple weeks ago and something found them to be quite the delicasy. [/quote]
Was it Xenia or another more expensive coral in the same family which is sometimes referred to as a certain color of xenia? Crossing my fingers it was just a cheap xenia.
Do not dump the fish in that new tank yet.
should i move the coral over to the 20L? should i keep the corl in the 25? what would happen if i were to drop these coral off at a fellow reefer who could support these sick coral? would the 10 min. drive be to much. i really dont know what to do. i think crabs look ok as well as snails
stripe shrooms are melting and brain is doing badly.
If you decide to move them over slowly acclimate them. I would put at least 4 gallons of water from your current tank into the new one along with one small rock which no corals are living on.
What type of thermometer are you using? If you don’t already have a digital one I would recommend picking one up.
What are you using to measure the salinity of your new salt water mix? If you are using a hydrometer and are mixing it up to salinity while cold and then warming it is probably higher then you suspect. Swing arm Hydrometers(I often just refer to them as trash) are effected by not only micro bubbles, but also temperature)
I am 90% sure that the xenia is not entirely at the root of the problem. Either the system was unstable already and this tipped the tables or because of too much being done at a time to correct a small problem things got to this point. Were the fish breathing this bad and behaving this badly when the xenia started to melt and things started to go down hill or is this new?
Ask someone else in your house to take a look at the fish and see if they think the fish look bad as well. From you description it really sounds as if they are breathing more then normal, but just step back for a little while and make sure.
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stripe shrooms are melting and brain is doing badly.[/quote]
Time to move the fish. Only take over about 2 gallons of water from the tank and listen carefully to what I said earlier about VERY carefully watching the parameters of the tank. Do not feed anything in the next 24 hours.
It sounds like the fish are starved for oxygen. The rapid breathing is probably a response due to the low oxygen. First I would kill the lights. That is not going to hurt the corals for a few days, and it will slow down the fish’s metabolism as they will go into “sleep” mode.
2nd the naso is way to big of a fish for the 10g. It is probably better off in the 25 or if you really want to keep it may I suggest calling a few LFS and checking to see if they would be willing to hold your fish for a few days while you straighten this out? No guarentees that they would be willing to, but it may be worth a shot.
To answer your question, the 10min drive would probably be better than leaving them in the tank if they look as horrible as you say. There are no guarentees that another reefer will be able to bring all of the corals back… so if you do decide to go that route and they end up dying, dont blame the other reefer. Since I’m not there I cant reccomend as to what would be best. I know its not easy, and if it helps I’m sorry that you have to go through this… its not fun for any of us to watch the animals we care for go downhill.
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Brett -
I’d reccomend slowing down. I think you’ve done enough on the water changes to thouroughly dilute any toxins in the tank. i think continually moving things, doing water changes, etc is just causing more harm then good.[/quote]
+1 … slow down there Tex … let things settle
Your parameters you posted look fine … assuming you meant salt @ 1.0245 vs 0.0245. If it were 0.0245, you’d be seeing everything dying.
Let things settle for 24 hrs and see where the parameters go.