I have had a ORA Black Occ. for a couple months now. I am looking to add a ORA nake dclown. How do you think they would do together.
On a side note, does anybody know anything about ORA sterilizing clownfish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpNFWTgPpE
check that out…and i did hear that ORA did something of that nature, im guessing as a way to protect the investment in the gene pool they have achieved…im not 100% sure tho if that urban legend has any truth to it, because i see a lot of black clown vidz where people show them breeding, but this isnt to say they got them from somewhere else…who knows…
breeding vid…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJUdQbs_T4&feature=related
That first video answers my question, but is the naked clown also the same species?
me guessing again…i would think so because of the color…maybe they came across a hybrid with no stripes or some type of odd bar…and just kept breeding them together until they achieved the nakeds of today…
Yeah i googled them and on ora’s site they are both amphiron occellaris.
i read in a magazine about thats how they came up with the Picasso clown…a reputable breeder got a call from an importer about a really rare clown that the guy should come down and check out…
after this he began breeding the clown, and couple in every other batch or so would show the Picasso trait…
Well, Im sure there is definitely a strong chance of gene pooling in the ora fish. I had thought their high misbar frequency was a product of the gene pooling. but Chris of chris/barb sugested it might be a natural manifestation of larval response to temperature variations during egg hatching. Wide swings might be influenceing the characteristics. All’s i know is my breeding pair of clowns are a tail misbar male and normal bar female, and 100% of the offspring, so far, are all normal full bars. I can’t speak for temp swings as i try to keep them constant in the larval tank. which is a couple degrees higher than the breeding tank.
Does anyonone have any more difinetive info?
thats a good question@ken…because it seems like in most cases in the wild, not having a normal pattern as your other species would make u kind of stand out a little bit more to predators or to prey…
kind of like white lions have trouble stalking prey, and some albinos are more susceptible to being spotted by air by flying predators…im not sure if this same aspect applies to the ocean tho…just an idea i wanted to throw out there…a couple days ago i was watching Discovery, where they showed a herd of gazelles or something, that banished a fairly newbon because it was significantly different looking than the rest of the group…
i could see why its a natural occurance that just happens infrequently…reminds me of how u can have hidden traits in your DNA…like the red headed daughter, when neither you, nor your wife has red hair…not sure if thats a good example, but u know what i mean…
I honestly don’t want to hear that ORA fish are in fact breadable. Would probably cost me thousands of dollars if I found out they could still reproduce because that is the only reason I never buy them, lol.
When i purchased my ORA black misbars i made Andy call ORA and ask them directly. They assured Andy that they do not steralize their fish. However, i would not be surpised if this was not the case for their high-end designer fish(i.e platnium, snowflake, picasso).
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When i purchased my ORA black misbars i made Andy call ORA and ask them directly. They assured Andy that they do not steralize their fish. However, i would not be surpised if this was not the case for their high-end designer fish(i.e platnium, snowflake, picasso).[/quote]
Thanks for the info Shawn, and :Welcome) back!
I have heard both that they do, and that they dont from reputable sources. The explanation that makes the most sense to me that I have heard is that it is not actually intentional, but that the high use of copper in the systems sterilizes the fish, which it is known to do.
I do know that even pairs that are mated generally do not produce eggs, even if they are quite old. The ORA pairs that I have seen breed also have sickly clutches that dont do well.
explanation that makes the most sense to me that I have heard is that it is not actually intentional, but that the high use of copper in the systems sterilizes the fish
sounds reasonable
I do know that even pairs that are mated generally do not produce eggs
Are you referring to ORA clowns or clowns in general? Breeding is something that has really piqued my interest lately and ive been doing a lot of reading as well as laying the groundwork for a breeding/live feed station in my fishroom. I know that having a “pair” of fish that simply dont kill one another is quite different than having a true mated pair, however, i assumed that spawning was almost certain once you have a mated pair. Afterall, how do you know your pair is mated unless they display spawning behavior?
BTW, thanks for the welcome Jason!
I was referring to ORA clowns in general. I have seen plenty of wild caught clowns that produce healthy spawns, but for some reason alot of ORA clowns have sickly clutches.
Im wondering if that might not have a lot to do with the amount of in-breeding? As large as ORA seems to be, i dont get the impression that they have an insane amount of mated pairs. If i recall correctly, i read a blurb on the site once saying that they would no longer be offering a specific fish because the had lost one of the fish in their pair.
Ill still keep my fingers crossed with my ORA black occs!
A tad OT, but very exciting for those interested in clown breeding!
http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/general.cfm?general_pagesid=476
Another good link for those looking for “budget” picassos. It would be interesting to know if her pair are ORA!
thats a very interesting type of clown fish. the McCullochi. I guess, when the fish get about a year old, they are old enough to breed. I have read that the best way to guarantee a pair is buy them very small, like when they are 6-8 months old. and get one from diferent sources to provide genetic diversity. then they can decide which way to mature and form a pair. getting large fish is luck of getting a pair, not forming one.
I bought my pair as very small individuals. they tuck together right away. but where 5 or 6 years old before i noticed them spawning last fall.