brett, is the redbug situation done? if so, i’ll take a stag.
LMK though about that issue.
i have not see 1 for at least 2 months. i even took out 1 of my larger and checked it out (ok maybe i just wanted to look at it out of water,very cool)
i would still dip it.
i should say that those have been mounted for weeks and have grown over the glue and are starting to grow on the plug.
ill post some better pics as they do no justic, i think you’ll really like it once you see it.
brett, i’m gonna have to pass. i don’t have any dip, and i’d rather not anyway. thanks, they are are really nice though.
i don't have any dip, and i'd rather not anyway.
i really hope thats something you dont live to regret like so many others have!
[quote=“logans_daddy, post:4, topic:2499”]
i don't have any dip, and i'd rather not anyway.
i really hope thats something you dont live to regret like so many others have![/quote]
shawn, and brett,
what is the dip actually, is this an iodine or freshwater dip or something else??? i’m just ignorant on the subject. not stubborn or unwilling. seriously in need of the right knowledge.
Paul - there are several out there and im sure different people will recommend different ones. personally, i use Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure. Its mostly Iodine but getting the dosage right is easy and it works well without stressing the corals.
revive is plant based…think there is some exacts from the tea tree and eucalyptus …both contain natural insecticide/fungicides which would help more with parasites other than bacteria
if someone could bring is some, i’d buy it and also get brett’s staghorn. LMK before the thingie tomorrow.
i have some, ill just bring it in a baggie. mix up a quart of water with it and dip for 5 min. sounds like a deal
many thanks brett, we gotta deal!
revive is plant based..think there is some extracts
ive heard good things about revive. the strangest thing to me is that all the things you said, and others have said, are not officially recommended uses for the product. every single product description i have read for the product including the label on the bottle and TLF’s site say nothing about it being a dip for parasite or bacteria prevention. It is sold as a “conditioner” and “cleaner” for helping to acclimate new and freshly fragged stony corals. Im not saying it doesnt work as a dip, ive heard from several sources that it does, i just find it very strange that its not sold or marketed for that use.
maybe jon will chime in but i think it was something to the effect of needing more testing/results or something like that.
without a doubt it killed the red bugs. i dint think it would kill aefw but i have none to test it on.
for like 12$ why not do it?
i heard that tropic marine pro is more harsh then revive, have not use it though. i really like revive and would deff reccomend it if you dont have a qt or just as an extra precaution
[quote=“logans_daddy, post:11, topic:2499”]
revive is plant based..think there is some extracts
ive heard good things about revive. the strangest thing to me is that all the things you said, and others have said, are not officially recommended uses for the product. every single product description i have read for the product including the label on the bottle and TLF’s site say nothing about it being a dip for parasite or bacteria prevention. It is sold as a “conditioner” and “cleaner” for helping to acclimate new and freshly fragged stony corals. Im not saying it doesnt work as a dip, ive heard from several sources that it does, i just find it very strange that its not sold or marketed for that use.[/quote]
i was just recently introduced to the product from charlie @ DPA…i’ve used it on the last LPS specimens i purchased as well as the SPS steriapora frags i bought from Dr Mac’s…all the corals are healthy and i noticed zero negative effects from the dipping…i did see a thread recently about this product harming a certain SPS species on RC, but i can’t remember the exact one off hand…i think it would be a good idea to use both an idodine and revive type prodcut to dip the corals …that way you can cover all bases so to speak bacterial,fungal and arthropod
Sorry I didn’t see this topic sooner, hadn’t realized it went off topic.
Shawn to answer your question about marketing… were you at the Sprung event I can’t remember? Julian and his company do things VERY professionally. If he marketed it as curing EXAMPLEPEST and someone used it to dip a single frag in a large system then put it right back in the tank with other frags of the same species and the pest showed up again they may publicly blast the product on the forums.
Also as bz said in order to advertise it is a good idea to test things before publishing. Now if you test to see if Revive would work on a particular species of coral with a particular pest… who the h.e.double.hockey sticks can identify a species of coral or a pest down to species and if you get into strains of bacteria… If we could identify stuff by a miracle genetic DNA tester gadget could you image the length of the label to advertise something like this?
Also what is the need to market it that way? If an LFS tells someone who is having trouble to buy the magic chemical on the shelf the majority of the market will likely buy it.(not saying Revive is a typical, “magic chemicalâ€ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ) Also the majority of the die hard hobbyist will read 30 forum posts on a product and use it with out even reading the label on the product. Also how many people use Inceptor when it says nothing on the website or on the package about any aquatic animal? How many people use things in their reef tanks that say, “Not for Aquarium use†on the package. No point in marketing it in the packaging at all in my opinion.
Julian ships out samples of new products all over the world to get them tested by public aquariums, aquaculture facilities, and labs before they go to market. This was how he found out that Revive if dosed properly could cure red bugs. I personally think Revive is a very safe product.
[quote=“moliken, post:5, topic:2499”]
seriously in need of the right knowledge.[/quote]
It is a debated topic among hobbyist, speaker, authors, and companies in the industry. Dipping a coral which shows no symptoms some people will say will cause the coral undo stress. Others point out a coral can show no symptoms of a problem for weeks at a time and it shows up out of no where once you have pulled it out of qt and set it next to your prized corals in your display tank.
As Andrew pointed out some dips are good for some pest while others are good for others. It is up to an individual to decide what they will use in a particular situation. It is not an easy decision.
bz Tropic Marin’s dip is indeed more harsh then Revive. As far as dips go they are at opposite ends of the spectrum, but also can be used for different reasons. Iodine in general is very stressful and many people have stopped using it. That being said there are many things that infect zoanthids which may not be removed any other way.
Some of the best information I have read on dipping came from Miguel Tolosa. While it is not the perfect book and has some mistakes in it, I think it is a good source and offers some good advice on this particular topic as well as others.
I’m sorry bz, now I have really took this off topic.
Edit, topic was split and moved to general discussion
Tropic Marin's dip is indeed more harsh then Revive. As far as dips go they are at opposite ends of the spectrum, but also can be used for different reasons. Iodine in general is very stressful and many people have stopped using it.
im sure it is much harsher but pro coral isnt only an iodine preparation although that is the main ingredient. i think the biggest problem with using lugols or other similar iodines is getting the dosage right. pesonally, ive had 0 stress issues even when dipping shipped frags.
That being said there are many things that infect zoanthids which may not be removed any other way.
Jon, im pretty sure Revive and Pro Coral are recommended ONLY for hard corals. Furan 2 is supposedly the best think to dip zoas/palys especially if that pox-type infection is suspected.
I’ve got a couple bottles of REVIVE, it says for live stoney corals.
Yup , after the presentation, Julian mentioned he had been getting lots of random feedback about Revive curing all kinds of pesty problems. But he would not make any claims until such time as he could have it thoroughly tested and documented. as always, claims of curing things where not under controlled conditions, but the feedback has been positive in most cases. I have tried it on some RBs and it seems to remove them after a couple dips. and maybe red planaria too. i once tried melafix for the planaria, it was only about 75% effective and made my skimmer foam up like putting Joy dish soap in the dish washer. also reported ridding monti eating nudibranchts.
So its pretty good. kinda smells like pine sol.