Is it alright to use a pump meant for ponds instead of spending big bucks on an aquarium specific pump I just cant justify spending More on the pump than I did for my 90rr with sump
You must have gotten a REALLY good deal for the 90 if you can’t find a pump cheaper than the tank.
Is it an external pump or submersible?
Well I git the tank for 100 and an while the size I need is like 170 I’m gonna use a submersible but a found a pond pump on sale for like 40
You could probably use this:
http://www.marinedepot.com/Danner_Mag_Drive_Supreme_9.5_950_GPH_Water_Pump_500_to_1000_Gallons_Per_Hour_Submersible_Water_Pumps-Danner_Mfg.-DN1111-FIWPSBFT-DN1127-vi.html
or
Or if you want to go cheaper:
http://www.marinedepot.com/Taam_Rio+_3100_Powerhead_UL_Fixed_Flow_Aquarium_Powerheads-TAAM_Via_Aqua-TA3111-FIPHFF-TA3160-vi.html
I ran a Rio 12HF on my 90gallon for awhile they work fine.
That said, I don’t know why you wouldn’t be able to use a pond pump instead assuming it has adequate flow.[
The one I found is 650gph so it should be plenty
650 gph at 5’ head?
The mag drive 9.5 does 750 GPH @ 5’. 650 will end up being like 400 gph by the time it pumps all the way up to your display.
I don’t know if that’s enough flow for a 90g. If it’s the perfecto style overflow I think those are rated at like 700 GPH.
Its an aga tank. I guess if I need a bigger pump ill just have to buy one I’m just trying to get setup without breaking the bank. All I need is the return pump and sand and I’m good to go
I’d hate for you to buy the pond pump then find out it’s not enough GPH and then have to buy another one. I usually buy a slightly larger one and then dial it back.
Just remember that whatever you get will be in SW.
jtnova new to plumbing? I’m not really following your logic. If a drain is rated to handle 700gph you don’t have to worry about reaching 700gph. Actually the fear is getting 701gph which would mean 1gph the drain can’t handle and it goes over the top of the tank and onto the floor…
You do not need a massive amount of flow going up and down in the tank. It is healthy to have a good bit if you have stable plumbing and it isn’t too noisy for the room it is in(read up on different styles of plumbing such as the “bean animal” and this will help significantly)
If you ask me a mag 9.5 for a 90gallon tank is a bit too much and if your house isn’t kept cool in the summer months you are going to have heat issues. You can certainly use one, but I think it is a bit wasteful. A mag 7 will be plenty.
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jtnova new to plumbing? I’m not really following your logic. If a drain is rated to handle 700gph you don’t have to worry about reaching 700gph. Actually the fear is getting 701gph which would mean 1gph the drain can’t handle and it goes over the top of the tank and onto the floor…
You do not need a massive amount of flow going up and down in the tank. It is healthy to have a good bit if you have stable plumbing and it isn’t too noisy for the room it is in(read up on different styles of plumbing such as the “bean animal” and this will help significantly)
If you ask me a mag 9.5 for a 90gallon tank is a bit too much and if your house isn’t kept cool in the summer months you are going to have heat issues. You can certainly use one, but I think it is a bit wasteful. A mag 7 will be plenty. [/quote]
I could have sworn on my 90g when I ran a smaller pump my tank would drain until the water dropped below the durso and then pump back up rinse and repeat. Does that not happen? Maybe it was my plumbing.
Maybe I listed too high of a pump, but I was just guessing at a 90g pump.
Also, I was assuming you were going to dial back the pump to match your overflow… I did a quick search and there are plenty of people using a mag 9.5 on a 90 gallon. (not that that means it’s right). If you ever wanted to plumb in some reactors or something it would help to have the extra power.
My point being, I didn’t want him to have not enough flow… i’d rather have a larger pump that I could cut back 25% to meet my flow rather than have a smaller pump go balls out and give me no expandability.
buy the pump with the amount of flow you want then adjust the durso accordingly or change it to a herbie so its quiet and flows more. you can usually get it to where you want it, my overflow is rated at 700 and i have a good 1000 going through it is a cpr hang on but if my pump slows down it gets a bit noisy. so too much or too slow could get noisy but adjustments can be made pretty easy, and if changes are needed you can do it for less than 10-20 bucks just some pvc
Mine is noisy! I need to mod my overflow some. Sorry back to original thread.
I found a good deal on mag 7 so hopefully that is enough
A mag 3 would be “enough”. The less you have going through your overflow the less noisy it will be. If adding flow reduces the noise, then yes there was something wrong with the plumbing setup(or if not wrong at least not ideal). It would be best to read again about how a durso, herby, and bean animal are designed to work and please feel free to post questions as there are plenty on the board now with these types of plumbing set-ups.(and don’t take any one persons advice as fact, make sure you get it from multiple sources and understand what they are saying)
What I consider “enough” is that the temperature of the display tank remains warm enough when it is necessary to use a heater. There are lots of benefits to additional flow such as oxygenation, however being that the tank can exist with out an overflow I wouldn’t say this is a requirement to meet “enough”.
Double pass through a skimmer wouldn’t be wasteful and I am sure the flow rate through the reactors will not exceed the overflow rate from the display. As far as filtration goes you do not need a lot. If there is significant surface scum on the top of the display tank manipulating the flow is the first course of action followed by increasing the flow from the sump.
jtnova please be careful sharing advice. It is always good to try to help a fellow hobbyist however if you have very limited experience it is best to state that in your thread as it is easy to sound as if you are an authority and most new hobbyist will take your advice as fact with out further reading.
Hope this helps it was typed quickly. Not meaning to insult anyone just trying to help all those typing and reading.
Thanks . Fir right now I am gonna run my skimmer and reactor off separate pumps
OP what skimmer are you using?
I’m gonna run my CPR bakpak for now until I save for a nicer one. It’ll just hang on the sump instead of the tank
I agree that the bigger pump is better. When you add the 4-5 foot head pressure, and 90 bends, tees or whatever you loose flow. A mag 3 only has 210 gph at 5 feet with no restriction. Add a few bends and a flare end and you are well below 200. IMO that is a bit too low for a 90 gallon. To each his own. I like to use a bigger pump with a SCWD, 2 outputs that alternate every few seconds. I have more of a problem with heat from the lights than the pump. When I ran a smaller pump there was little difference in tank temp. As for the overflow a couple ball valves on a dual drain made a huge difference in noise for me. Others have luck with the bag over the outlet trick, it really does work and is super cheap.