[quote=“bz350, post:59, topic:812”]
what would happen if i did keep the naso in the 55. my mom dosent see why green banks can get away with keeping gigantic fish in tiny aquariums.
the 3 main tangs im considering for the 55 are a sailfin,blue hippo, or purple. the 2 tangs that i really want are the sailfin or hippo. im not going to get a yellow because there ever where.
what happen when a tang get to big for a 55.[/quote]
Explain to mom that there’s a HUGE difference in keeping a fish in a tank that’s too small for a couple days or a week until it gets sold and trying to keep one long term as a pet.
What happens when a tang (or any fish) gets too big for it’s current tank? It dies.
BZ- you need to go back to the beginning of this tread and re-read most of it.
I dont want to be rude, but you seem to not want to accept the reality of the situation and its pretty simple… I think this question has been politely discussed over the 4 pages of this post, yet you have still chosen to disregard peoples advice. I will try my best to put it into perspective for you.
I would be willing to bet that you leave your house almost daily. you talk to your family and friends, see sunlight, eat what you want when you want… in other words live your normal life.
lets say that in the middle of the night tonight someone sneaks in your house, drugs you and takes you to a prison cell. it has a bed and a toilet in it. twice daily someone slides a food tray into your room- no human interaction, no TV, not even a book to read. SERIOSLY TAKE A MOMENT TO VISUALIZE THIS SCENARIO. how long would it take you to get really stressed out. a day? a month? how long would it take you to start to talk to yourself? how long would it take you to make a sock puppet buddy and start to discuss your life with it?.. how long would you stay in that room before your turned your bed sheet into a neuse? Would you want to live like this for the rest of your life???
or yet another easy to understand scenario- would you say that a dog tied to a tree with a 5 foot rope has a good life?
the message that I am trying to illustrate that others have discussed earlier in this thread is simple: keeping a animal alive your enjoyment is hugely different than giving it a humane proper living conditions- you aren’t with your naso and you wont be with any others you put in there(except possibly a yellow, but that’s another story). It might survive for a week, a month or a year, but one fact is simple- you are talking about putting a animal that swims MILES a day into a tank that is 48 INCHES long. It is a prison cell- plain and simple. Even a 125 gallon tank is tough for a naso.
I agree with Craig about the difference, and ill take it a step further. You mentioned in one of your threads that you “saved a tang from petco†– you didn’t. all you did was perpetuate the issue- the next day the manager probably placed an order for another one.
I wont bother going on from here because it will be decidedly negative and personal, but will say this- I don’t bother helping people who don’t want to be helped in this hobby and you will probably find less and less support the more you resist peoples helpful advice. You need to step back and think about what you are trying to do with this hobby and its more global impact.
Nuff said…Im done wasting my time
Eh, it won’t die right away. I’ve seen plenty of big fish like tanks survive in small tanks for a while. As it grows it will just grow into a malformed, socially retarded animal that will bang into the glass and swim around in circles like a patient in a mental institution pacing back and forth. Then you may try to beg an LFS to take it off you’re hands right before it dies in you’re tank so you don’t feel as guilty pulling the corps out of you’re tank. Once the sick and deformed fish reaches the store it will be placed in tanks with other diseased fish and may make it a week before it’s thrown out with the rest of the garbage.
Many people purchase these animals from local stores and never learn why there fish grew up the way it did and some just figure there life expectancy was probably only a year anyways. Unlike them you have been told what will happen now knowing what will happen if you choose to ignore people… the choice is yours.
I believe people have already given you recommendations for different sized tanks, but here is my input on the tangs you mentioned.
ONCE FULL GROWN, the tangs will require at MINIMUM:
Purple 100g
Salfin 125g
Hippo 100g
I am currently keeping a purple in a 75g, but that tank has twice the width of a 55g and there is hardly any rock in the tank and two other fish and I hope to move it to a 300+ tank by the end of the year. The small purple tangs you have seen locally could be kept in a 55g for many months, but I thought you’re limitation on a large tank was the amount of space you had at home. Unless you’re Dad is planning on putting an addition on you’re house in the next couple of months I don’t know how that is going to change.
Just looking out for you man. I once had a French Angelfish which was like a dog to me. Love the little guy, but I was looking for a safe home for it just incase I couldn’t upgrade it’s tank.
[quote=“logans_daddy, post:58, topic:812”]
very nice. i think its a mccoskers or a carpenters. they look similar and cost about the same…right around $40 i think. the long fin is also really nice in person and i think its in the same price range.[/quote]
If anyone wants to see one of these in person, I saw one in one of Camden Aquarium’s reef exhibits. Beautiful fish and quite active.
ONCE FULL GROWN, the tangs will require at MINIMUM:
Purple 100g
Salfin 125g
Hippo 100g
I generally agree with the above two posts, but i would like to make one clear distinction that hasnt really been addressed. The volume of the tank is not as important as the length of the tank. They make a 110g 48" tank but i still wouldnt keep a sailfin in one. Tangs do not swim vertically, the need a long tank to swim laps.
The other distinction i would like to make is every tank is different. Depending on the rockwork, the number of other fish, and the specific behavior of your individual tang, you may be able to keep one in a smaller tank. I have a hippo in my 75. I have open rockwork, 6 fish total(4 nano-size), and pristine water quality. I would wager that my tang is better off in my 4’ 75g than most hobbyist’s 6’ tanks. With all that said, i would still never consider 75% of the available tangs out there including a naso.
With all that said, i think you can keep a tang in a 55g. However, there are limitations. You need a good system with pristine water, otherwise you may be prone to health issues with your tang. You need a small to moderate bioload. You need to stick with the few tangs that have been mentioned to you already. Yellow, bristletooh, convict, kole, and tomini. I also feel that a purple or hippo can be kept in a 4’ tank under the right conditions, however, i dont feel that you should attempt either one.
Bret, in short, you need to abandon your idea of keeping mutiple tangs. If you really want to keep one, you need to ask youreself if your willing to give up 3 of your smaller fish to keep one tang becuase that’s what you will need to do. If your heart is set on a tang, here is what you can do. Get rid of some of your fish. Get your bioload down to 3-5 small, peaceful fish. Get your tank in shape. Make sure your water quality is top notch and consistent. When your at this stage, purchase yourself a nice small tang from the list above. I personally feel that if you can get to this stage then you could attempt a hippo or purple as well as the others mentioned.
i have olny a few ideas of how i could keep it. if i knew that when a fish out grew a tank it go retarded and malformed i would’nt have post a question such as this. so it would stress out, become rettarded, malform and finally crap out and die.
is it to say there is no room for a tank no. the house is a mess. (repainting,furnishing,hard wood floors + the season) in the feture its a deff. possibuilty.
if i was going to do something such as buy a tang that needs a huge tank why even bother asking the site when i already know youll shoot me down.
regardless it is still my fault. though i was a beginer when i got him. i did do research but olny to find the difference between the nasos. i have this naso now and he/she has no home to go.
brett- If all goes well, im 99% sure i will be setting up a 300gallon months. I dont think your naso will become retarded that soon >LOL< but i could always give it a good home. A naso isnt exactly on my stocking list, but its an option for you.
Its going to primarily tangs, triggers, and large angels with one or two misc. fish.
There are a lot of agressive fish that i wanted, but i think im going to try to keep to moderately agressive fish. The only thing i can tell you for sure that will be in the tank is a japenese dragon moray and a pair of crosshatch triggers. There are a lot of other likely candidates but im not sure yet. It can be tricky to stock big fish with mixed personalities, i really want to take my time.
i will olny be getting 1 tang for the 55. i was considering getting the 75 thats 4 sale but i figure ill save the 200-300 and stock the 55. it olny 20 gallons , 6 in deeper.
It might now sound like much, but that 6" makes a LOT of difference. It would be 33% more width for fish to swim, not to mention that it would make aquascaping a lot easier.
"when i already know youll shoot me down. " it is not us that is shooting down you’re dreams of keeping a tang. The animals were just made to constantly move out in the wild, not to sit in a little glass cage and look pretty.
The ability for animals to turn around is very important. Currently my purple tang does laps around my two large rocks in a figure 8 shape. In a 55 it would have to swim one way then stop and do a 6 point turn and then go the other way.
[quote=“logans_daddy, post:72, topic:812”]
It might now sound like much, but that 6" makes a LOT of difference. It would be 33% more width for fish to swim, not to mention that it would make aquascaping a lot easier.[/quote]
Agree. That 6 inches makes a huge difference.
[quote=“bz350, post:67, topic:812”]
if i was going to do something such as buy a tang that needs a huge tank why even bother asking the site when i already know youll shoot me down.[/quote]
We’re not trying to shoot you down just because we feel like it. We’re trying to protect you, your wallet, and the fish. There is nothing more depressing then waking up on xmas morning to find your favorite fish dead on the sand bed. We’ve all made purchases we shouldn’t have, most of us more then once. It’s easy to do, see the pretty fish swimming around in the store and common sense can go right out the window. Ask Andy I almost bought a Powder Blue yesterday that I knew I had no reason buying, it wouldn’t have been happy in my tank for long. Fortunately someone else was there to remind me of their tank requirements, and to make me stop and think twice.
All we’re trying to do is make you think before you make future purchases. Those bright colorful fish are EXPENSIVE you want to keep them happy and healthy for as long as possible so you can enjoy them for as long as possible.