Sumpless 55

[quote=“andrewk529, post:79, topic:1193”]
i have to use a 10 gallon tank for my sump…can’t fit the 20L under my stand… would have take down the entire tank to fit 20L underneath …sucks but i think i can manage something using a spare tank i have laying around just won’t have as large a volume for the refug as i wanted[/quote]

You don’t necessarily have to put the sump UNDER your DT either. I personally think refugiums should be seen. I like the macro algaes and the pods that live in the fuge. You can drain the DT to a sump/fuge sitting next to the DT (just a bit lower) just as easily as if it were under the DT.

Mine is actually plumbed through a wall, over 4 feet and in to a closet that houses a sump and a seperate refugium. Logans_daddy’s is plumbed through a wall in to a seperate “fish room”. Ken’s are plumbed clear around his dining room.

Be creative, think outside the box and you’ll be amazed with the results you can achieve. (Great now I sound like my old High School guidance councelor slap-stick)

I would suggest the limiting factor on flow through the tank to be your pump. This allows some wiggle room with the overflow rate in case something causes an obstruction (snail, algae). In other words make sure you can drain more than your pump can put out, you won’t run into a situation where the pump runs dry.

Spec your overflow for the amount of water you want to move.
Get a pump lower than this amount.

Putting baffles in won’t change flow rate in the sump/fuge, but you can always get creative with the valving if you have a too high flow of a pump.

[quote=“logans_daddy, post:60, topic:1193”]

in cutting the acrylic or glass 3/8 to 1/2 smaller then the tank am i doing this to allow for room for the silicone or does it serve another purpose?

no purpose other than being able to manuever the baffle into the tank. the tighter the better. thats why i like making templates.

:TWOCENTS about the GFCI. if you are talking about replacing an in-wall outlet with an in wall GFCI i wouldnt do it for several reasons. first its unlikely that the outlet is a terminating outlet and its always a good idea to only install a GFCI on a terminating outlet. some GFCI’s dont even have terminals to daisy chain. also, i would make sure to have your return pump and/or powerhead not on a GFI. its not fun to crash a tank because of a tempermental GFI. have you considered getting an in-line one instead? or, better yet, maybe just an enclosure and some drip loops?[/quote]

Sorry little late on this, but in regards to having or not having a pump/powerhead on the GFI. I’d suggest putting the return pump on the GFI and leaving a powerhead off the GFI. If the tank were to overflow for any reason and short something on the tank, the return pump would get cut off with the GFI and stop pumping water out, but you would still have a powerhead flowing water for filtration/circulation.

[quote=“fishguy9, post:80, topic:1193”]
maybe a 15 or 20 tall would give ya a little more volume…[/quote]

that occurred to me as well…going to see if i can return the 20L today then take some more measurements hopefully the 20H will fit underneath the stand…i thought about having the sump/fug outside of the stand but the room my tank in is pretty small and i don’t need one of my friends messing with anything…the cfgi is wired in so that’s working at least next on the docket is the plumbing issue gonna see what i need in those regards

finally constructed my sump…worked out all of the details going to be taking out a support on my stand and replacing with with two addional supports. This will free up enough space to allow me to fit the 20L underneath without the need to tank the tank down…took some pics of my sump and the testign process also took a few recents pics…added a few fish the other week along with some hermits…going to pick up my lights next week



Hey what type of sand did you use in there?

[quote=“Jocephus, post:86, topic:1193”]
Hey what type of sand did you use in there?[/quote]

carib sea argonite

If I may offer a sugestion:

That clear vinyl tube is great for making plumbing connections a snap, but as soon as you add a fuge light you’re going to end up with serious algae issues inside the plumbing.

Wrap all of the clear tubing in black electrical tape to prevent light from being able to enter the plumbing and slowing your flow.

[quote=“Cdangel0, post:88, topic:1193”]
If I may offer a sugestion:

That clear vinyl tube is great for making plumbing connections a snap, but as soon as you add a fuge light you’re going to end up with serious algae issues inside the plumbing.

Wrap all of the clear tubing in black electrical tape to prevent light from being able to enter the plumbing and slowing your flow.[/quote]

thanks i didn’t even think of that

added a coral banded shrimp today couldn’t resist stopping by DPA ;D

When drip aclcimating it should be a slow drip, not a stream. Inverts are very sensitive to changes in temperature, salinity, and PH and should be introduced to your environment slowly.

Looking good though. Keep the pics coming.

[quote=“Cdangel0, post:91, topic:1193”]
When drip aclcimating it should be a slow drip, not a stream. Inverts are very sensitive to changes in temperature, salinity, and PH and should be introduced to your environment slowly.

Looking good though. Keep the pics coming.[/quote]

that was just the intial period when i was adding more tank water to keep the shrimp fully submerged… the acclimation period was spaced out over 60 mins…tomorrows project is installing the sump i’ll take pics once its fully assembled

installed the sump partially going to finish this weekend took awhile to dissassemble the stand to fit the tank …my lights aslo came in @ DPA( Aquatic life T5 HO) …took some pics of the setup…i have the cheato and extra LR in the main tank for now

purchased a kenya tree today…iwilll be adding more corals over the next few weeks… if anyone has any frags for sale let me know! I finished up framing out the bottom of my stand waiting for the glue to dry now …the refugium will be up and runnning tomorrow finally…i’ve identfied a few hitch hiker species on my tonga branch…a scypha sponge(an indicator species) and bryzoa…found a great link to indentify those random species
http://www.naperenterprise.com/HH.htm

took a vid of mysetup photos aren’t cutting it anymore

refugium is finally up and running…i need to add more live rock it looks like and possibly some sand whats everyones opinion on sand in the refug?? i’m not looking for a remote sand bed or a DSB just something to benefit the inverts…im still testing out the system so i haven’t installed the skimmer into the sump. i’m also holding off on mounting the lighting while i see how hot the system runs/how much condensation forms…puchased a small frag of green clove polyps from DPA today… think im headed to dr mac’s in a few weeks to pick up some goodies :GOLD)

A small clip on fan in or around the back of the stand will keep condensation down.

I like sand in a fuge as it provides a place for microfauna and pods to burrow and reproduce. Also provides somewhere to stick frags that are waiting to go in to the DT or to a meeting.

[quote=“Cdangel0, post:96, topic:1193”]
A small clip on fan in or around the back of the stand will keep condensation down.

I like sand in a fuge as it provides a place for microfauna and pods to burrow and reproduce. Also provides somewhere to stick frags that are waiting to go in to the DT or to a meeting.[/quote]

i was thinking maybe a computer fan installed underneath would work space is limited …saw a few pics on reef central of people doing that…i plan on adding around an inch of sand in the fug…the main point i have the LR elevated is to facilitate water movement on all rock surfaces and i don’t want to inhibit that very much

Looking real good, have yo considered a background? THe pipes and wires are a bit unsightly.

[quote=“Jocephus, post:98, topic:1193”]
Looking real good, have yo considered a background? THe pipes and wires are a bit unsightly.[/quote]

thanks…thats funny my father was over the other day and mentioned the same thing…i do have a black background just waiting until everything is fullly finished before i add it.

picked up a few more corals