Purple Up ?

Just a couple of quick thoughts. Caribsea manufactures this product and i believe they enjoy a pretty solid reputation in the hobby so its unlikely that they are bottling “snake oil”. I believe, from what i read, that their primary claim for why this product will accelerate corraline growth is because of the delivery system which is not truly a liquid like some other additives.

Anyways, i sent finished speaking with a Caribsea representative who has offered to send me mutiple bottles of purple up as well as another one of their products that can be used in conjunction with it. I have two similarly sized pieces of LR in the sump of my 265g that came in together(IE collected together), are similar in shape, and similar in corraline coverage(none!!). I should have most of the stuff laying around to set up two seperate tanks(IE light, powerheads, heaters, etc). I should be able to do this myself and photo-document the results. However, if someone has the time, most of the equipment(i can help some), and wants to do this instead PLEASE let me know(IE VOLUNTEER!!!). If you have a system with minimum corraline and want to dose the product in your own tank please let me know. I only ask that you dose EXACTLY per directions and regularly document/photograph the tank with CLEAR photographs! We will put the results on the front page when its all said and done. This is similar to our REEFBUSTERS idea that was brought up before and i feel there is a lot of potential for this to lead to other things including product testing/reviews. Should be interesting!

Hehe… meant Craig. Must be some resudual effects of the PVC cement from reactor building yesterday ;D

Jcling: So you run your Ca really high, but dont dose anything other than Purple up to get it there? What is your Alk and Mag? Its chemically impossible to have 2 at the correct levels and one terribly higher. The real problem with really high calcium levels is that once it reaches a certain level, it combines with any carbonate in your water and will percipitate out in either calcite or aragonite, which as Tim said will not dissolve untill your pH gets below 7.7. Now if you dont dose anythign for Alk and you have a low Alk, then yes, there would be no problems maintaining the high calcium levels. But if your Alk is kept within the desirable range, you would find that it is almost impossible to maintain a high calcium level… especially if you dont dose. Many people focus so much attention on calcium, but they forget that for every Ion of calcium that is used in a tank there is also an ion of carbonate used. As far as general tank health, I would take an elevated dKH over an elevated Ca level any day because dKH has benefical effects for both corals and fish, while Ca just has benefical effects for corals.

Its 4:00. I’ll finish the thought when I get home… unless someoene else who knows about reef chemistry wants to chime in and finish explaining.

[quote=“icy1155, post:37, topic:2885”]
Unless someone will tell me exatly what is in something, and in what concentrations, I would never dose it…

Its intersting that so many advanced hobbiests who say dont dose anything you cant test for swear by purple up…

I havent EVER used purple up on any of our tanks…[/quote]

I agree with Caribsea having a solid reputation, and I would love to see the results of this experiment. I assume with one tank you do water changes only, with the other add the product?

Shawn, that is a fantastic idea and I started typing it out the other day but lost interest after a few drinks.

I propose that both tanks remain barren and only one piece of coralline be added to each tank (i can pull post-it sized chunks off my glass). Break one piece into two so its the same exact seed in each tank.

Dose purple up in one and a 2 part (B-ionic perhaps) in the other. The idea being that if its a calcium boost than the other tank should also have a normal dosing regiment to compare to.

I’d def be willing to put it in my tank and document it… any excuse to take pics. as far as the experiment tanks… i’ve got my hands full w/ what i’ve got, and still have some experience to gain, but, if its not too big a deal, i’ll give it shot…let me know what would be involved…
And i think its cool of Caibsea to send some out, even with doubters involved, that says a lot

Absolutely. Fantastic point!

I contacted Caribsea specifically because of the thread. Not for product donation. I told them what our intentions were and that i planned to publish the results to our home page. Their response? “Great! ill be sure to include extras!” At the very least thats a company that believes in their product!

I'd def be willing to put it in my tank and document it
Great. Thank you. You are the first on the list. Im going to put together a spreadsheet for everyone that is participating to record their data and ask that everyone begin and end at the same time. I can not imagine this requiring more than 10-15 minutes a week for someone to participate. I will distrubute the spreadsheet along with the product at the next meeting.

I disagree with testing the Purple Up along side the two part mixes. The question was never does it grow coraline faster than a two-part, it was does this product do what it claims. For a beginning hobbyist not testing for calcium, magnesium, etc. the Purple Up offers increased coraline algae. I think the test should be between regularly mixed saltwater (reef crystals, something out of the box) and Purple Up.

Good thing i agree with you and planned to do exactly that! ;D Already posted in the other purple thread!

Heheh-- Just saw it, I’m anxious to see the results. Awesome.

[quote=“Jocephus, post:47, topic:2885”]
For a beginning hobbyist not testing for calcium, magnesium, etc. the Purple Up offers increased coraline algae.[/quote]

My argument was that if a new hobbiest tested Ca, Alk, and Mg they have no need for purple up >LOL<

[quote=“Jocephus, post:47, topic:2885”]
For a beginning hobbyist not testing for calcium, magnesium, etc. the Purple Up offers increased coraline algae. [/quote]

How? Everyone is doubting my opinion on it NOT working, but how does an unfounded statement like this pass for muster?

In what way does the product in question SCIENTIFICALLY “SPEED” the growth of coralline algae up? Not help. Speed/accelerate.

That question should be answered before any test is even valid.

Tim, I don’t know if you have a chemistry degree, but I do know that I do not. I didn’t offer scientific proof, because I do not need to. I’ve used the product, you have not and yet- you are telling people it doesn’t work. Maybe if you applied the same sort of analytical eye to what you are passing off as wisdom (WITHOUT ANY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE-I can type in caps too) we wouldn’t have to talk anymore. I support anyone with an opinion, unless they have no experience on the subject. It seems unbelievable that YOU ARE SO CERTAIN that this product doesn’t work without ever having tried it.

Bellamy, No argument. All I said is that the product works.

P.S. I am really enjoying this thread. I was going to set up my new tank, but all I could find was playsand and I don’t want it to leach silica into my tank. >LOL<

Icy, I supplement all my tanks w/ everything needed to keep them very happy… My corals and fish are living proof :slight_smile: I was only saying that in the 20g tank that I started, I only used purple up b/c I am breaking the tank down at the end of the semester and only wanted to have a tank for some extra fish and to seed new rocks w/ coralline. I have found purple up does great with that :slight_smile: That is all I was saying. I do find it amazing that someone w/ no experience could have such a strong resentment for the product. Especially from a company like Caribsea, a company that has done a great job creating a good name for themselves in this hobby.

[quote=“TimH07, post:36, topic:2885”]
This paper covers corals as well as coralline algae but it focuses mid paper on calcification rates in coralline based on lighting levels not calcium levels.

http://www.globalcoral.org/CALCIUM%20CARBONATE%20DEPOSITION%20BY%20CORALLINE%20ALGAE.pdf[/quote]

Makes sense to me. Calcium level change very little from area to area of a reef while the light changes dramatically. In the reefs I have seen, not many, typically snorkelers will not seen much of any coralline unless they flip rocks over. Scuba divers see more and more coralline the deeper they go.(less light and bluer spectrum)

They also don’t focus on temperature as being a limiting factor… doesn’t change much on a reef. :wink:

[quote=“Jocephus, post:52, topic:2885”]
Tim, I don’t know if you have a chemistry degree, but I do know that I do not. I didn’t offer scientific proof, because I do not need to. I’ve used the product, you have not and yet- you are telling people it doesn’t work. Maybe if you applied the same sort of analytical eye to what you are passing off as wisdom (WITHOUT ANY FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE-I can type in caps too) we wouldn’t have to talk anymore. I support anyone with an opinion, unless they have no experience on the subject. It seems unbelievable that YOU ARE SO CERTAIN that this product doesn’t work without ever having tried it.

Bellamy, No argument. All I said is that the product works.

P.S. I am really enjoying this thread. I was going to set up my new tank, but all I could find was playsand and I don’t want it to leach silica into my tank. >LOL<[/quote]

Your argument still stands as “uh-huh” vs. “nuh-uh”

criminal case vs caribsea…

FORT PIERCE COMPANY AND ITS PRESIDENT PLEAD GUILTY AND ARE SENTENCED FOR ILLEGALLY IMPORTING CORAL ROCK INTO THE UNITED STATES

November 8, 2006
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
R. Alexander Acosta, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Eddie McKissick, Resident Agent in Charge, U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, Hal Robbins, Special Agent in Charge, NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, Southeast Division, and Jesus Torres, Special Agent in Charge, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, announced that Carib Sea, Inc., a Fort Pierce-based aquarium supply company, and Richard Greenfield, 46, of Fort Pierce, pled guilty and were sentenced in federal District Court on November 7, 2006, in connection with the illegal importation of more than 42,000 pounds of protected coral rock from Haiti to the United States. Both defendants were charged in connection with a shipment that arrived in March 2006, contrary to the laws of the United States and an international treaty intended to protect threatened and endangered species of wildlife, all in violation of the federal Lacey Act, Title 16, United States Code, Sections 3372 and 3373.
United States District Court Judge Marcia G. Cooke accepted the guilty pleas of the two defendants and proceeded to immediate sentencing. Carib Sea, Inc. was sentenced to a three year period of court-supervised probation and ordered to make a $25,000 community service payment to the South Florida National Park Trust to assist in funding and enhancing the existing Coral Nursery Program in Biscayne National Park.
Richard Greenfield was also placed on three years probation, and ordered to pay a criminal fine in the amount of $25,000. Additionally, the defendants were held jointly liable for storage and transportation costs exceeding $10,000 which related to the March 2006 seizure and approximately 40,000 pounds of coral rock found and seized by the government at the company’s business location. The defendants are also obligated to publish a notice in three publications related to the aquarium trade, explaining their violation of law and the applicable requirements of CITES and U.S. regulations.
The coral rock involved in this matter, with a market value of approximately $75,000, is being transferred to a non-profit research institution, Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute, to avoid its use in commerce.
According to the Information filed in this matter and a statement of facts presented in Court, in March 2006, the defendants were involved in the importation of a cargo-container load of coral rock from Haiti. Under a convention known as “CITES,” the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, more than 150 countries have banded together to provide protection to a variety of species in danger of imminent extinction, or which may become so, if trade in their specimens is not carefully regulated. That protection extends to all coral rock, which is an invertebrate within the phylum coelenterate. To legally import such specimens into the United States, the importer must, among other requirements, obtain and present to the Fish & Wildlife Service a valid foreign export permit from the country of origin, or if the country of origin is not a CITES member, such as Haiti, a corresponding document described in U.S. regulations. Neither of the defendants, or their Haitian supplier, possessed or presented the appropriate documentation for the coral in this case at the time of importation
Coral reef destruction has been the subject of intense debate at the meetings of the parties to CITES. Loss of reef habitat, which is one of the most productive and diverse ecosystems, is a world-wide concern. As nurseries for marine species of commercial value, as well as a source of income from recreational fishing and eco-tourists, and a protective barrier for coastlines, a significant effort is underway to preserve the existing reef structures and reverse their decline.
Mr. Acosta commended the coordinated investigative efforts of the Fish & Wildlife Service, the National Marine Fisheries Service, and Immigration & Customs Enforcement, which brought the matter to a successful conclusion. This case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Thomas Watts-FitzGerald.
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reputation in the hobby…

Lol…

Tim should be a lawyer. Isn’t that the product works or not now it’s that the company is evil.

[quote=“Gordonious, post:57, topic:2885”]
Tim should be a lawyer. Isn’t that the product works or not now it’s that the company is evil. [/quote]

lol, more than one post referred to their status in the hobby, just wanted to point out some old news.

Still nobody offers the biological process of which purple up “speeds” the growth, that is the point.

… you know what? forget everything i’ve said and ask yourselves this. Can you get what purple up is elsewhere for less than $1.87 per oz. some people don’t buy 2 part systems because they can get baking soda and calcium chloride as snow melt… why not save a crap ton of money and find the equivalent?

Yep… Some people are bitter that they now need to pay lots of money for sand when it was cheap 10 years ago.

Agreed it does suck… I just find it silly to attack the companies for whatever reasons we might have. Every company gets sued lol its America… That’s why there are lawyers. verdict_in

And might I say it is old news… 2006, its 2010 now that was 4 years ago :stuck_out_tongue:

There are always changes in companies when fowl play is involved, then things get back to normal and companies gain their respect back.

... you know what? forget everything i've said
done. i did it before you even asked!